>>253867 >>253868 oh ok thanks. i became a fan in 2020 during covid and i when i joined it seemed alot better than after they broke up but i guess orbits were even more chill prior to jaden leaving. that makes me kind of jealous ngl
>>253866 after he quit was when all the theories and hate started, so 2019 >>253867 yeah I tuned out for a while after it all happened cause orbit spaces were unbearable to exist in
>>253866 not an orbit myself but had many friends who were fans early on so I heard a lot about the pre-debut era, then promptly dropped off after debut because that felt like when shit became really hard to tolerate
I was around back then and orbits lying about shit wasn't as common as today so I half believe it but at the same time the evidence to prove it one way or the other doesn't exist anymore
>>253858 thats what i heard and supposedly her records in hong kong are different from what she has said but also how would someone other than her know that
